Torsten Birne is explaining how Dresden's City Council is fighting the disfigurement of public space by regulating intrusive advertising boards and by stipulating the use of sandstone panels for cladding facades. In Dresden, two standard sized panels are in use, "An industrial production of artificial naturalness", explains Torsten.

Milla Mineva presents Mafia Baroque, with its towers and columns. It's getting late. She hopes that Luchezar Boyadjiev will present a project which she has mentioned, "But", she adds, "hopefully not this evening!" I admire the interpreter's ability to keep up with Milla's pace.

Then Adam Scrivener talks about the Friends of Dresden and The American Friends of Dresden. They see Dresden's post war, socialist rebuilding as a second bombing, they being "just as ideological as the ideology they criticise", he tells us. Adam describes the millimeter precision of the reconstruction of the Church of Our Lady, it being only 10mm off the original. "This precision", says Adam, "is a process far deeper than I can speak about.”